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And now for something completly different

Postby ZeroRyoko1974 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:03 pm

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Re: And now for something completly different

Postby bakamatt » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:00 am

I've said it before, I'll doubtless say it again: being Japanese is so difficult that not even the Japanese are any good at it. You've got to expect these symptoms and episodes.
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Postby Kokon Tozai » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:09 am

My favorite is the Spider Man & Naked Guy in the subway train. The crowd subtly pushed all the way to the other end of the cab. And then the Sleeping Guy oblivious to it all.
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Re: And now for something completly different

Postby Kokon Tozai » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:28 pm

Not being Japanese is a problem to http://www.cracked.com/article_20118_5- ... japan.html

Meant to reply to this quite some time ago....

That article honest to God has squashed any desire to visit Japan on my part. Somehow I always figured that what's described is closer to the truth. So now I can just stay at home in Kansas & save my money from traveling, spend it on nurturing & reinforcing my view of what I would prefer a Japanese cultural visit to be. And besides, old crazy guys in school girl uniforms don't put me off but seeing this: http://www.japantrendshop.com/face-slimmer-exercise-mouthpiece-p-1327.html just puts me past the point of no return.
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Re: And now for something completly different

Postby Tsunami3k » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:48 pm

Kokon Tozai wrote:
Not being Japanese is a problem to http://www.cracked.com/article_20118_5- ... japan.html

Meant to reply to this quite some time ago....

That article honest to God has squashed any desire to visit Japan on my part. Somehow I always figured that what's described is closer to the truth. So now I can just stay at home in Kansas & save my money from traveling, spend it on nurturing & reinforcing my view of what I would prefer a Japanese cultural visit to be. And besides, old crazy guys in school girl uniforms don't put me off but seeing this: http://www.japantrendshop.com/face-slimmer-exercise-mouthpiece-p-1327.html just puts me past the point of no return.


roflmao..Those mouth devices are horrifying. They really make the wearer look like another Japanese atrocity, a love doll.

I still want to visit Japan, warts and all. They've probably had one of the steepest, most disruptive technological transitions of any nation on the planet over the last century so it's a rare (maybe once in a planet's history) chance to see the unusual societal structures that crystallize under such duress. Besides, Chisato's still there so it can't all be bad.
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Re: And now for something completly different

Postby bakamatt » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:50 am

I still want to go, specifically to be exposed to the craziness. And, of course, to shop. As soulless as it may seem, I think I could be content to go there, cruise Akihabara, and come back without ever setting foot in a temple, castle, Kabuki or Noh performance, or tea ceremony.

Although I'd kind of like to visit Hokkaido in the winter.
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Re: And now for something completly different

Postby ca_jas » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:43 pm

Kokon Tozai wrote:
Not being Japanese is a problem to http://www.cracked.com/article_20118_5- ... japan.html

Meant to reply to this quite some time ago....

That article honest to God has squashed any desire to visit Japan on my part. Somehow I always figured that what's described is closer to the truth. So now I can just stay at home in Kansas & save my money from traveling, spend it on nurturing & reinforcing my view of what I would prefer a Japanese cultural visit to be. And besides, old crazy guys in school girl uniforms don't put me off but seeing this: http://www.japantrendshop.com/face-slimmer-exercise-mouthpiece-p-1327.html just puts me past the point of no return.


Hmm I developed this viewpoint a few years ago when I started learning Chinese and discovered the present-day bitterness between China and Japan. I started viewing Japan as the America of East-Asia, that the things in America I want to escape from would exist just as much in Japan: right-wing nationalists smugly debasing their neighbors, mindless commercialism, etc. In the end I chose to favor traveling to China instead but it's still my life goal to live in Japan eventually. Whenever I practice Japanese I feel a warmth that makes me want to travel their so bad. And I love their independent movie scene way too much to just disregard visiting :P. There's always a reason to go to Japan!
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Re: And now for something completly different

Postby bakamatt » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:13 am

ca_jas wrote:I started viewing Japan as the America of East-Asia, that the things in America I want to escape from would exist just as much in Japan: right-wing nationalists smugly debasing their neighbors, mindless commercialism, etc.


I'm inclined to agree with you. Whatever virtues Japan may have, I'm afraid once you get past the window dressing (which is quality window dressing, no question), it just isn't a very nice place. As as their power wanes, I suspect they're only going to be less and less nice until they wind up the France of Asia, frantically scrabbling for whatever international influence they can still muster.

My feeling for some time has been that it somehow manages to be a country both very like ours and very different.
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Re: And now for something completly different

Postby Kokon Tozai » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:44 am

Having read the subsequent notes & quite a bit of thought to them, maybe I should back peddle, er, refine my original comments. The article Z74 linked too (everyone else has actually read it, right?) is very disheartening. The contrast between an American's romance with Japan versus reality is extreme. Although the article is hardly scholarly I don't think think it is guilty of hyper cynicism. It just gets to the core of the matter from an American Otaku's viewpoint.

At one time visiting select parts of Asia was a plan, a goal. It is no longer that but I'd have to say I wouldn't refuse to visit Japan, As Jas sez there's always a reason to visit Japan but I'd have to find the opportunity to be an easy one. And there's that basic problem: japan is not an easy place to visit or get by in. I don't mean flying time but being there. As an adult I've visited Britain, Wales, Scotland, Italy & France out of the country. Does Toronto & Ni gales count too? Then there also. Even with language barriers I never felt overwhelmed in visiting as I think I would in Japan. Such as it is when most of my home country comes from Western Europe rather than Asia. I haven't the brain power or time to spend learning even the basic of the Japanese language & would probably starve the first week, unable to work even a vending machine or check in at my hotel. So some of my disappointment in visiting Japan must be put on myself, my own attitude, yes I admit.

I think to visit would require a bilingual friend to visit with, or a friend of a friend natively living there to help out. I haven't looked in a couple of years but there were tours designed specifically for anime otaku's and that would have obvious benefits . And drawbacks. Like Matt I could probably immerse myself in Aki & be happy or a tour of Ghibli but also Osaka, Kobe, & the winter festivals would be great too. Again I say Curt needs to start his otaku tour service. Or maybe Brian Kawarou5. If Brian could start Naka Kon imagine what a tour designed by him would be like!

I agree so much with Matt's parting comment: it is a country that is so much like ours and so different at the same time that makes it fascinating. The latter point means that as long as I live there will always be something new to learn about Japan.

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Besides, Chisato's still there so it can't all be bad.


Damn, you had to play the Chisato card didn't you? If only she was still touring live.
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